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i want to ask you quite specifically about rachel jeantel and the role that played in the decision of this jury. >> i don't know. i would like to emphasize, the jury didn't necessarily have to believe george zimmerman's version of the events. all they have to believe is the state did not believe what happened in the four minutes between the police dispatcher's events and the moment trayvon martin was shot. rachel jeantel was meant to fill in those four mince by saying when her phone call concluded with trayvon martin and he was saying, get off, someone was attacking him. for whatever reason the jury appears to not have believed her testimony. i want to each sighs, the issue is not that the jury necessarily believed george zimmerman, it's that they did not feel the prosecution sufficiently proved their version of events is what occurred. >> what do you make of mark o r o'ma o'mara's statement if he were black he would not have been charged. >> i was shocked. i had a visceral reaction to it. lets play out that scenario and go along with his claim. a black man 28 years old spots a white
i want to ask you quite specifically about rachel jeantel and the role that played in the decision of this jury. >> i don't know. i would like to emphasize, the jury didn't necessarily have to believe george zimmerman's version of the events. all they have to believe is the state did not believe what happened in the four minutes between the police dispatcher's events and the moment trayvon martin was shot. rachel jeantel was meant to fill in those four mince by saying when her phone call...
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. >> rachel jeantel. what did you think of her as a witness? >> here's what i think about rachel jeantel myself. i think she was a reluctant witness who didn't want to be there. i think her mom and miss fulton got together and said something like, you need to go tell this woman what happened to her son and do it now. i think that's what happened. i think she was reluctant -- >> so you think she was manipulated? >> i wouldn't even say something that bad. if i was a friend of a mother, i would say, go tell her what happened to her son. >> how much do you think was embellished and how much was actual testimony? >> i think once she was put in a position to talk, i know she tried to smooth over some of the things that trayvon was talking to her about. i know she didn't talk about the racial terms he may have used or the colorful language he may have used, so i think she gave a sanitized version to mom, because after all, i think she was being sensitive to ms. fulton having just lost her son. we know that rache
. >> rachel jeantel. what did you think of her as a witness? >> here's what i think about rachel jeantel myself. i think she was a reluctant witness who didn't want to be there. i think her mom and miss fulton got together and said something like, you need to go tell this woman what happened to her son and do it now. i think that's what happened. i think she was reluctant -- >> so you think she was manipulated? >> i wouldn't even say something that bad. if i was a friend...
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rachel jeantel against the parade of witnesses that george zimmerman called, it's not about race. it's about credentialed people that came across as more credible witnesses. so i think it's a little risky to point at rachel jeantel and say, oh, you know, ignore all her problems and believe her just out right. >> is she really that important? obviously, she's a colorful witness -- >> very important. >> how so? >> sunny, why -- >> i think she's very important because she's the person on the phone with trayvon martin when the confrontation happened and she's the person that said trayvon martin was afraid. he believed that george zimmerman was creepy, was following him and that george zimmerman confronted him by saying what are you doing around here when trayvon martin asked why are you following me? george zimmerman didn't say i'm the neighborhood watch guy or anything like that and she says she heard trayvon -- she heard a bump and heard trayvon martin say get off, get off. that's important testimony and danny, you were one of the people that said she wasn't relatable. i don't know
rachel jeantel against the parade of witnesses that george zimmerman called, it's not about race. it's about credentialed people that came across as more credible witnesses. so i think it's a little risky to point at rachel jeantel and say, oh, you know, ignore all her problems and believe her just out right. >> is she really that important? obviously, she's a colorful witness -- >> very important. >> how so? >> sunny, why -- >> i think she's very important because...
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her name was rachel jeantel. now, this young lady i will submit to you is not a sophisticated person. not the most educated. but she's a human being. she happens to be, what, haitian or of haitian descent and made a big deal about, oh, you can't read cursive. yes, you can, unfortunately. she's what, 18, 19? but did what she tell you as best she could and maybe her english wasn't the best? maybe her speech, her language was a little colorful, i think she referred to me as that bald-headed dude and referred to other phrases to describe other people. but did she speak the truth? because when you think of it, she was the person that was speaking to the victim. and really the conversation she had with the victim nobody would no know whether she's telling the truth or not other than her. we have the phone records established whether or not they were talking. but what i'm saying is, she didn't have to -- she could've embellished, she could've lied about what the victim said and when she referred to the guy that was foll
her name was rachel jeantel. now, this young lady i will submit to you is not a sophisticated person. not the most educated. but she's a human being. she happens to be, what, haitian or of haitian descent and made a big deal about, oh, you can't read cursive. yes, you can, unfortunately. she's what, 18, 19? but did what she tell you as best she could and maybe her english wasn't the best? maybe her speech, her language was a little colorful, i think she referred to me as that bald-headed dude...
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rachel jeantel against the parade of witnesses that george zimmerman called, it's not about race. it's about credentialed people that came across as more credible witnesses. so i think it's a little risky to point at rachel jeantel and say, oh, you know, ignore all her problems and believe her just out right. >> is she really that important? obviously, she's a colorful witness -- >> very important. >> how so? >> sunny, why -- >> i think she's very important because she's the person on the phone with trayvon martin when the confrontation happened and she's the person that said trayvon martin was afraid. he believed that george zimmerman was creepy, was following him and that george zimmerman confronted him by saying what are you doing around here when trayvon martin asked why are you following me? george zimmerman didn't say i'm the neighborhood watch guy or anything like that and she says she heard trayvon -- she heard a bump and heard trayvon martin say get off, get off. that's important testimony and danny, you were one of the people that said she wasn't relatable. i don't know
rachel jeantel against the parade of witnesses that george zimmerman called, it's not about race. it's about credentialed people that came across as more credible witnesses. so i think it's a little risky to point at rachel jeantel and say, oh, you know, ignore all her problems and believe her just out right. >> is she really that important? obviously, she's a colorful witness -- >> very important. >> how so? >> sunny, why -- >> i think she's very important because...
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my heart is with sybrina fulton, rachel jeantel everyone who loved trayvon and has been sent the message that his life did not matter." kate, chris? >> i think most people would agree, people, their hearts and prayers are with the family of
my heart is with sybrina fulton, rachel jeantel everyone who loved trayvon and has been sent the message that his life did not matter." kate, chris? >> i think most people would agree, people, their hearts and prayers are with the family of
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rachel jeantel. let me give you my perspective of rachel jeantel. she didn't want to be involved in the case. she didn't want to be involved in the deposition and she didn't want to be involved in trial. i think what happened -- and this is just conjecture -- and i'm not supposed to conjecture too much -- i think her mom got with police voltan and go said go that lady what happened to her son and she didn't really want to do that and why she wrote the letter. why she had or didn't have a conversation -- i don't -- don't forget. they only reunited, trayvon martin and rachel jeantel two weeks before. you know that. they knew each other from school but never really hung out. two or three weeks before was when they started talking again so it wasn't what it perceived to be boyfriend and girlfriend, nothing to do with that and she didn't think it was much that night. interesting to me just the one thing about miss jeantel. if you ask me right now to explain to you the phone call that i had three weeks ago with my wife, four weeks ago with my sister, or l
rachel jeantel. let me give you my perspective of rachel jeantel. she didn't want to be involved in the case. she didn't want to be involved in the deposition and she didn't want to be involved in trial. i think what happened -- and this is just conjecture -- and i'm not supposed to conjecture too much -- i think her mom got with police voltan and go said go that lady what happened to her son and she didn't really want to do that and why she wrote the letter. why she had or didn't have a...
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jeantel, that could not have been the guy punching george zimmerman. >> thank you very much for joining me tonight. all of you. >>> thank you. >>> coming up, cecile richards will join us with the latest from texas and the legislative fight over women's reproductive freedom there. >>> and there is news tonight from wikileaks, indicating tomorrow will be a big day for edward snowden. >>> and in the rewrite tonight, a classic american movie rewritten by its star, dustin hoffman. in his own words you will hear the material on the road to discovery, the essence of the character. and in this case, the character he was playing was a woman in "tootsie." and the moment that he discovered, that brought him and maybe you to tears. vo: traveling you definitely end up meeting a lot more people but a friend under water is something completely different. i met a turtle friend today so, you don't get that very often. it seemed like it was more than happy to have us in his home. so beautiful. avo: more travel. more options. more personal. whatever you're looking for expedia has more ways to help you fin
jeantel, that could not have been the guy punching george zimmerman. >> thank you very much for joining me tonight. all of you. >>> thank you. >>> coming up, cecile richards will join us with the latest from texas and the legislative fight over women's reproductive freedom there. >>> and there is news tonight from wikileaks, indicating tomorrow will be a big day for edward snowden. >>> and in the rewrite tonight, a classic american movie rewritten by...
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once again, matt gutman. >> reporter: rachel jeantel was the state's star witness. she was supposed to spellbind the jury with details of her phone call with trayvon martin, just moments before he was killed. then, she opened her mouth. >> that's real retarded sir. >> i'm sorry? >> that's real retarded to do that, sir. >> reporter: rachel jeantel, 19-years-old, and just entering her senior year. jeantel was pitted against savvy trial lawyers who kept her floundering on the witness stand for seven hours. >> are you claiming in any way that you don't understand english? >> i don't understand you, i do understand english. >> reporter: this was the moment that people were waiting for, to hear this star witness, if you will. and it turned out to be something very, very different. it ended up not being about trayvon and ended up being more about her. >> reporter: jeantel was not only vilified, this professor says she was mammified. >> reporter: tell me what you mean by the mammyfication of rachel jeantel. >> a lot of people came out and criticized her for her hair, for he
once again, matt gutman. >> reporter: rachel jeantel was the state's star witness. she was supposed to spellbind the jury with details of her phone call with trayvon martin, just moments before he was killed. then, she opened her mouth. >> that's real retarded sir. >> i'm sorry? >> that's real retarded to do that, sir. >> reporter: rachel jeantel, 19-years-old, and just entering her senior year. jeantel was pitted against savvy trial lawyers who kept her...
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there are no rachel jeantels on "csi." and they don't call people like kristin betson who found nothing but a fingerprint on "law and order." it is not like that in real life. in real life we give you everything -- the good, the bad, the indifferent. because when that defendant is entitled to a trial, he's entitled to a fair one. all of it. all of it. and now you have that. in hollywood they write it up the way it happens on sunset boulevard. but in real life, it happens just like it did on twin trees lanes in front of so many good, unsuspecting people. and remember, if you get back there and you don't like some of the witnesses in the case, you don't like rachel jeantel or shiping bao, ask yourself who produced this trial? who made up the witness list? who created the evidence? who chose the circumstances? who chose the lighting? who chose the time? who chose the weather conditions? it wasn't me. it was the defendant. he chose everything and that's why we're here, and that's why the evidence is what it is. but it is enoug
there are no rachel jeantels on "csi." and they don't call people like kristin betson who found nothing but a fingerprint on "law and order." it is not like that in real life. in real life we give you everything -- the good, the bad, the indifferent. because when that defendant is entitled to a trial, he's entitled to a fair one. all of it. all of it. and now you have that. in hollywood they write it up the way it happens on sunset boulevard. but in real life, it happens...
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>> no. >> reporter: but the defense seemed to suffer, regarding the cross examination of rachel jeantel. >> can you read any of the words on it? >> i don't understand kersef, i don't read kersef. >> reporter: followed by this selfy, photo taken by the attorney's daughter. but the caption, we beat stupidity. hash tag, "dad killed it." later apologized for the incident. trayvon martin's death and the fact that zimmerman was not arrested until 45 days after the killing triggered protests. the trial, serving as a reminder of lingering racial tensions in the country. both sides in the trial have said the case is not about race. prosecutor john guy even made that point in his rebuttal today. >> this case is not about race. it is about right and wrong. >> reporter: but the issue of race as persistently shadowed the case throughout. >> the young man was just being a kid on his way home. and it is so frustrating for people in the african-american community. because you know, he was not doing anything wrong. it is this gosh, here we go again, we can't seem to escape these kinds of things happenin
>> no. >> reporter: but the defense seemed to suffer, regarding the cross examination of rachel jeantel. >> can you read any of the words on it? >> i don't understand kersef, i don't read kersef. >> reporter: followed by this selfy, photo taken by the attorney's daughter. but the caption, we beat stupidity. hash tag, "dad killed it." later apologized for the incident. trayvon martin's death and the fact that zimmerman was not arrested until 45 days after...
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he told rachel jeantel that he was running. but since this is the state's case and not mine, did they show you, tell you, explain to you, any insight whatsoever on what trayvon martin was doing four minutes before that fight started at the t-intersection? do you have a do about what trayvon martin and what he must have been thinking for four minutes? >> ladies and gentlemen, if you will please take your notepats facedown on the chair, we will take a 15-minute recess. sdploop there is george zimmerman at the end of the first half of mark o'mara's closing argument before the jury, the judge going into a research, she said for about 15 minutes, sometimes it lasts a bit longer. we want to welcome in our viewers. i'm wolf blitzer in for carol costello. this is a special edition of "newsroom." we're going to return to the courtroom as soon as the defense attorney resumes his closing argument. the challenge he's phasing, convincing the jury that zimmerman was merely trying to defend himself. let's get some perspective on what the juro
he told rachel jeantel that he was running. but since this is the state's case and not mine, did they show you, tell you, explain to you, any insight whatsoever on what trayvon martin was doing four minutes before that fight started at the t-intersection? do you have a do about what trayvon martin and what he must have been thinking for four minutes? >> ladies and gentlemen, if you will please take your notepats facedown on the chair, we will take a 15-minute recess. sdploop there is...
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rachel jeantel. let me give you my perspective on rachel jeantel. she didn't want to be involved in the case. she didn't want to be involved in the deposition. she didn't want to be involved in trial. i think what happened, and this is just conjecture and i'm not supposed to conjecture too much, i think her mom dealt with ms. fulton and said go tell that lady what happened to her son. she didn't really want to do that. that's why she wrote the letter. that's why she didn't -- she had or didn't have a -- i don't think she -- don't forget, they had only reunited, trayvon martin and rachel jeantel, like two weeks before. you know that. they knew each other from school but never really hung out. two or three weeks before was when they started talking again. so it wasn't what it was perceived to be, girlfriend/boyfriend thing. nothing to do with that. and she just didn't think it was much that night. interesting to me, the one thing about ms. jeantel, you know, if you asked me right now to explain to you the phone call that i had three weeks ago with my
rachel jeantel. let me give you my perspective on rachel jeantel. she didn't want to be involved in the case. she didn't want to be involved in the deposition. she didn't want to be involved in trial. i think what happened, and this is just conjecture and i'm not supposed to conjecture too much, i think her mom dealt with ms. fulton and said go tell that lady what happened to her son. she didn't really want to do that. that's why she wrote the letter. that's why she didn't -- she had or didn't...
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the defense scored an early victory when it grilled the star defense, rachel jeantel, on the phone with trayvon martin moments before the shooting. she said he was scared that night, but the defense went after her credibility. >> for all you know, trayvon martin could have been smashing george zimmerman in the face is actually what you heard? >> what? >> yeah, earlier today. >> by who? >> reporter: and then another blow nor the prosecution. lead investigator chris serino whose testimony seemed to bolster the defense's case stated zimmerman's story about the testimony that night was remarkably consistent. >> was there anywhere else in this case where you thought he may be a pathological liar? >> no. >> reporter: it was a case not without gaffes, nosably from defense attorney west whose opening argument began with a joke. >> knock, knock, who is there? george zimmerman, george zimmerman who? all right, good, you're on the jury. >> reporter: and then he drew criticism for that relentless cross examination of martin's friend, rachel jeantel, even exposing her limited literacy. >> can you re
the defense scored an early victory when it grilled the star defense, rachel jeantel, on the phone with trayvon martin moments before the shooting. she said he was scared that night, but the defense went after her credibility. >> for all you know, trayvon martin could have been smashing george zimmerman in the face is actually what you heard? >> what? >> yeah, earlier today. >> by who? >> reporter: and then another blow nor the prosecution. lead investigator chris...
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remember, the jurors have not heard all of the social media, all of the piling on rachel jeantel. they saw her in a vacuum. so i think it was important. luckily, i guess, for the prosecution they didn't have that additional burden placed on their view. they just knew it was difficult to hear or understand her, so i think it was very important to rebel her. >>> karen desoto, do you agree that the prosecutor did a good job of getting the juries to focus not on her inability to read cursive, or her lack of sophistication, 'he described it, but on hurl truth telling. she used experience epithets and expletives that he needn't used, and he made that point. if she was lying, why did she include that? >> i think trial attorneys, at least, when they're trying to humanize an person or spending a lot of time on their intelligence or you should listen to them because, you know, don't look at the cover, look at the information, is because they don't -- obviously it was negative to them. there was some inconsistencies whether or not she was telling the truth. on the second day of testimony her
remember, the jurors have not heard all of the social media, all of the piling on rachel jeantel. they saw her in a vacuum. so i think it was important. luckily, i guess, for the prosecution they didn't have that additional burden placed on their view. they just knew it was difficult to hear or understand her, so i think it was very important to rebel her. >>> karen desoto, do you agree that the prosecutor did a good job of getting the juries to focus not on her inability to read...
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her name was rachel jeantel. now, this young lady, i will submit to you, is not a very sophisticated person. she's not educated. she's a human being. she spoke as best she could. she happens to be haitian or of haitian descent. made a big deal about, oh, you can't read cursive. yeah, she can't. unfortunately. she's, what, 18, 19? but did what she tell you as best she could and make her english wasn't the best, maybe her speech, her language was a little colorful, i think she referred to me as that bald headed dude and referred to other phrases to describe other people. but did she speak the truth? because when you think of it, she was the person that was speaking to the victim. and really the conversation that she had with the victim, nobody would know whether she's telling the truth or not other than her. i mean, we have the phone records that established it. that there's no dispute that they were talking. but what i'm saying is, she didn't have to -- she could have embellished. she could have lied about what th
her name was rachel jeantel. now, this young lady, i will submit to you, is not a very sophisticated person. she's not educated. she's a human being. she spoke as best she could. she happens to be haitian or of haitian descent. made a big deal about, oh, you can't read cursive. yeah, she can't. unfortunately. she's, what, 18, 19? but did what she tell you as best she could and make her english wasn't the best, maybe her speech, her language was a little colorful, i think she referred to me as...
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her name was rachel jeantel. now, this young lady, i would submit to you, is not a very sophisticated person, not the most educated, but she's a human being and she spoke as best she could. she happens to be what, haitian or of haitian descent, made a big deal about you can't read cursive, she can't, unfortunately. she weig she's what, 18, 19. but what did she tell you as best she could and maybe her english wasn't nebest, he language and speech a little colorful. i think she referred to me as that bald headed dude and other phrases that describe other people? but did she speak the truth? because when you think of it, she was the person that was speaking to the victim. really, the conversation she had with the victim, nobody would know whether she was telling the truth or not other than her. we have the phone records that establish the it, there was no dispute they were talking. what i'm saying is she didn't have to -- she could have embellished. she could have lied about what the victim said and when she referre
her name was rachel jeantel. now, this young lady, i would submit to you, is not a very sophisticated person, not the most educated, but she's a human being and she spoke as best she could. she happens to be what, haitian or of haitian descent, made a big deal about you can't read cursive, she can't, unfortunately. she weig she's what, 18, 19. but what did she tell you as best she could and maybe her english wasn't nebest, he language and speech a little colorful. i think she referred to me as...
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there are no rachel jeantel's on csi. and they don't call. they don't call people like kristin benson who found nothing and a from time to time on the gun like "law & order." it is not like that in real life. in real life, we give you everything. the good, the bad, the indifferent. when that defendant is entitled to a trial, he's entitled to a fair one, all of it. all of it. and now you have that. in hollywood they write it the way it happens on sunset boulevard but in real life it happens just like it did on twin trees lane, in front of so many good, unsuspecting people. if you get back there and don't like some. witnesses if you don't like rachel jeantel. or shipping bao. or who created the evidence, who chose the circumstances? who chose the lighting? who chose the time? who chose the weather conditions? it wasn't me. it was the defendant. he chose everything, and that's why we're here. that is why the evidence is what it is but it is enough. with your common sense. it is enough. i'm not asking you to fill gaps. i'm asking you to do what y
there are no rachel jeantel's on csi. and they don't call. they don't call people like kristin benson who found nothing and a from time to time on the gun like "law & order." it is not like that in real life. in real life, we give you everything. the good, the bad, the indifferent. when that defendant is entitled to a trial, he's entitled to a fair one, all of it. all of it. and now you have that. in hollywood they write it the way it happens on sunset boulevard but in real life...
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the instagram -- in relation to rachel jeantel. didn't appear to be at his best or appeared to be an angry, aggressi aggressive, attacking type of person. but he's still a very good attorney and you have that play of personalities, mark o'mara's very different. i think -- well, the results speak for themselves. >> let's talk about -- he talked about the community here but the larger community and also people inside the legal community, as well. you know mark o'mara and these guys, don west, as well. did you refer mark o'mara for this case? >> you were supposed to be handling the case, weren't you? >> supposed is the big word. i turned it down twice. i got a call and a release and i got a call of george zimmerman when this case was initially under investigation. i turned it down. and then after he brought in two other lawyers that quickly were dismissed, remember the debacle on the courthouse steps, i then got a call of a friend of his and i said, no. i had signed a contract with cnn. i think i made the better of the choices. in all
the instagram -- in relation to rachel jeantel. didn't appear to be at his best or appeared to be an angry, aggressi aggressive, attacking type of person. but he's still a very good attorney and you have that play of personalities, mark o'mara's very different. i think -- well, the results speak for themselves. >> let's talk about -- he talked about the community here but the larger community and also people inside the legal community, as well. you know mark o'mara and these guys, don...
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. >> that is the prosecutor on the testimony of rachel jeantel. we have jose baez, judge alex, mark furman and anna si fwnch ga nicolazzi. >> there were times that the defense was soft on her. i think they were insecure about her. he spent a significant amount of time trying to rehabilitate her in his klossing. they are concerned about it. i'm not so sure the jury is. >> what do you think, mark fuhrman? >> i think that her opportunity to talk to the detectives, to talk to the prosecutors, to be deposed and then comes up at the trial, a statement was the last thing she heard was get off, get off. i think you would be inclined to disregard her entire testimony. if you just disregard that point, she gave the defense the start of their case mid prosecution when she described the conversation and the aggressive nature which trayvon martin confronted george zimmerman. >> judge alex, let's go to the question of irregularities. the former police chief talking about the pressure brought to bear on him. the president, my son would look like trayvon. now we
. >> that is the prosecutor on the testimony of rachel jeantel. we have jose baez, judge alex, mark furman and anna si fwnch ga nicolazzi. >> there were times that the defense was soft on her. i think they were insecure about her. he spent a significant amount of time trying to rehabilitate her in his klossing. they are concerned about it. i'm not so sure the jury is. >> what do you think, mark fuhrman? >> i think that her opportunity to talk to the detectives, to talk...
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and as rachel jeantel said, trayvon had went to hide. that seems very logical versus george zimmerman's reason of why he didn't get to that car in four minutes. >> right. mr. parks, are you satisfied with the way the prosecution has marshalled the arguments? because mr. crump in something like 38 seconds has just produced a sterling presentation of why the claim of those four minutes can be quite easily depudee dee bunked. and yet meany critics have felt that the prosecution has not really stitched the argument, the narrative as effectively as they might have done. >> well, i think at this point we've clearly seen that bernie did an incredible job of taking all of the evidence in this case, whether it's the inconsistencies, whether it was the whole, the whole theory of the case -- >> but mr. parks, why didn't mr. delee ronda make more inconsistencies with regard to the weapon that mr. zimmerman had on him? we know for a fact that mr. zimmerman has given multiple different descriptions as to where that weapon was. why wasn't that a major
and as rachel jeantel said, trayvon had went to hide. that seems very logical versus george zimmerman's reason of why he didn't get to that car in four minutes. >> right. mr. parks, are you satisfied with the way the prosecution has marshalled the arguments? because mr. crump in something like 38 seconds has just produced a sterling presentation of why the claim of those four minutes can be quite easily depudee dee bunked. and yet meany critics have felt that the prosecution has not...
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there's dramatic testimony from rachel jeantel. on a lead investigator in the case testifies. a re-enactment of the scuffle. the state examiner takes the stand and says the injuries were minor. martin's brother and mother testify. plan particular screams are heard on 911 tapes were from trayvon. last monday, five witnesses testified for the defense. the voice belongs to zimmerman. zimmerman's family also said it was him. the next day, a forensic expert says the evidence supports zimmerman's story. the defense rests on wednesday. george zimmerman tells the judge that he won't take the stand. that the prosecution gets closing arguments. the judge says she will allow the jury to consider the lesser charge of manslaughter but rules out third-degree murder. finally, yesterday, the defense delivers its closing arguments. the judge gives the jury her final instructions and deliberations get under way. >> here's what we know about the six-member all-women jury. a juror number one, hispanic nurse with several children and she lived in chicago at the time of the shooting. juror number t
there's dramatic testimony from rachel jeantel. on a lead investigator in the case testifies. a re-enactment of the scuffle. the state examiner takes the stand and says the injuries were minor. martin's brother and mother testify. plan particular screams are heard on 911 tapes were from trayvon. last monday, five witnesses testified for the defense. the voice belongs to zimmerman. zimmerman's family also said it was him. the next day, a forensic expert says the evidence supports zimmerman's...
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. >> the joke fell flat but the defense recovered by catching the prosecution's star witness rachel jeantel who was on phone before the shooting in a number of inconsistencies. >> when you were talking about the same thing again, instead of saying what are you talking about, it became what are you doing around here? correct? >> yes. >> reporter: at times she was defiant and difficult to under but her story of how her friend was being pursued for no reason was both clear and captivated go. >> [ bleep ] cracker. >> cracker? >> right. >> reporter: a large part of the case who started fight and who was heard screaming on a 911 call made by a neighbor. >> i don't know why. i don't know. i can't see him and i wanted to know what is going on. there is yelling. >> witness after witness was called to the stand asked to identify the screaming voice on the 911 call. >> it was george screaming for his life. >> whose voice do you recognize? >> my brother. >> trayvon? >> yes. >> definitely was george. >> most compelling witnesses were the mothers of both the victim and the defendant. >> ended up screamin
. >> the joke fell flat but the defense recovered by catching the prosecution's star witness rachel jeantel who was on phone before the shooting in a number of inconsistencies. >> when you were talking about the same thing again, instead of saying what are you talking about, it became what are you doing around here? correct? >> yes. >> reporter: at times she was defiant and difficult to under but her story of how her friend was being pursued for no reason was both clear...
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we know he was on the phone with rachel jeantel. we know that ended -- we have the time, a precise time, and it kicked back in. and that she said he was running. which actually coincides pretty straight forward with when george said he was running. some consistency there. so trayvon martin was running. and he was running at about somewhere 7-eleven, 47. keep that number in mind for a minute. 7:11:57. because the altercation, according to miss lauer's phone call if you sort of look at when her phone call started, back it up to when she heard what she heard, she called it 7:16:11. give her 30 seconds or so on-to-have started, right? somewhere around there. we are going take a break for a couple of minutes because i didn't realize i have been talking for an hour and 20 minutes so we are going to take a break. but before we take a break, here is what i'm going to do. i'm going to sit tight. we are not going to talk. and i'll tell you when we will talk again, okay? so try not to do much starting now. >> we have a quick break in the closi
we know he was on the phone with rachel jeantel. we know that ended -- we have the time, a precise time, and it kicked back in. and that she said he was running. which actually coincides pretty straight forward with when george said he was running. some consistency there. so trayvon martin was running. and he was running at about somewhere 7-eleven, 47. keep that number in mind for a minute. 7:11:57. because the altercation, according to miss lauer's phone call if you sort of look at when her...
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recall what he told rachel jeantel, this guy following him. and she said something to the effect of, well, maybe he's like a sex pervert or something. and that's when he referred to he's a cracker or whatever word he has used and he used the "n" word too. but when you think of it, that is the person that was scared, i would submit. now, trayvon martin, unfortunately, can't come into this courtroom and tell you how he was feeling. and that's true because of the actions of one man. the defendant. let's talk about the defendant that night. no dispute that he was part -- i would submit he was the neighborhood watch. but, again, that's perfectly good. that's a good thing. but he was upset that burglars got away. that's also a good thing. that's good that people get involved. and apparently according to his statement he was driving the target. now, he's driving the target, it's raining and what does he do? okay. he calls the police something suspicious, but then he tracks this guy down. he tracks trayvon martin. he didn't just call the police and sa
recall what he told rachel jeantel, this guy following him. and she said something to the effect of, well, maybe he's like a sex pervert or something. and that's when he referred to he's a cracker or whatever word he has used and he used the "n" word too. but when you think of it, that is the person that was scared, i would submit. now, trayvon martin, unfortunately, can't come into this courtroom and tell you how he was feeling. and that's true because of the actions of one man. the...
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when rachel jeantel testified, that johnson rated a wheel subcottage industry. there are so many issues embedded in this case. we talked about all women on the jury and what does that mean. >> they obviously have a great deal to talk about. and then there's the other factor. you also have a social dynamic between them. the forewoman in this case, who gets picked and why and what the social dynamics, the group dynamics that break down between them, the psychological dynamic of being sequestered from the world no, tv, no cell phones, no family. all of those dynamics play into it, too. i think that's also fascinating. afterwards you find out how the dynamics broke down. let's say one disagreed and the other five convinced them in the end. if you're the on one, could you withstand five other people who disagree with you? i can't wait until these jurors can talk about what they went through. >> one of the interesting things we find and you talk to jurors afterward, their impressions about what happened aren't always the same either. in many ways it's very much like w
when rachel jeantel testified, that johnson rated a wheel subcottage industry. there are so many issues embedded in this case. we talked about all women on the jury and what does that mean. >> they obviously have a great deal to talk about. and then there's the other factor. you also have a social dynamic between them. the forewoman in this case, who gets picked and why and what the social dynamics, the group dynamics that break down between them, the psychological dynamic of being...
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still, he's keeping it kind of light hearted with rachel jeantel. there's no evidence at all that trayvon martin had any animous towards george zimmerman. i always thought it strange he was lurking behind bushes and is just going to haul off and sucker is punch him out of the blue. that doesn't make sense. >> how could he be following him then sneak up on him to get sucker punched? i think lisa's point is also correct. trayvon martin used both of the big sort of racial words. i think that cancels themselves out as opposed to george zimmerman who seems to be presenting this. i can't look back because i'm so fixated still on the verdict and what that will mean. and are we about to learn that once again a black man can be killed with no penalty because americans -- some americans will say it is justifiable to be afraid for your life when you are fighting with a black man. as john guy pointed out, if the races were switched, we'd be in an entirely different situation. >> black man, black child. remember, trayvon martin was a child. let's talk about john
still, he's keeping it kind of light hearted with rachel jeantel. there's no evidence at all that trayvon martin had any animous towards george zimmerman. i always thought it strange he was lurking behind bushes and is just going to haul off and sucker is punch him out of the blue. that doesn't make sense. >> how could he be following him then sneak up on him to get sucker punched? i think lisa's point is also correct. trayvon martin used both of the big sort of racial words. i think that...
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he is talking to rachel jeantel, make sure the game is on. he is going about his business, certainly not engaged in any kind of behavior that would justify suspicion. you can see he is focused on getting home. it is a rainy night. he is not trying to scope out the neighborhood, that he was trying to burglarize, he is zoned in on getting home, watching the all-star game, getting skittles to his nephew is not somebody casing the joint, looking to rob somebody, who started this fight? george zimmerman. >> to the point of what happened in that fight. and we don't have george zimmerman taking the witness stand to testify or get cross examined and we obviously cannot have trayvon martin. the prosecution went to the medical evidence and blood stains, where is the blood? why is there no blood? >> you you recall one of the things we talked about. i think one of the witnesses, dr. di maio, very impressive, distinguished doctor, this photo that the defense keeps berating. you recall what i did? what do you expect? blood. and i'm going to show you the ph
he is talking to rachel jeantel, make sure the game is on. he is going about his business, certainly not engaged in any kind of behavior that would justify suspicion. you can see he is focused on getting home. it is a rainy night. he is not trying to scope out the neighborhood, that he was trying to burglarize, he is zoned in on getting home, watching the all-star game, getting skittles to his nephew is not somebody casing the joint, looking to rob somebody, who started this fight? george...
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george zimmerman's version of what happens when he meets trayvon martin or rachel jeantel? there is a clear distinction here. a lot of people said these jurors aren't going to be able to relate to her. this is a murder trial. i think they will listen to her and give her testimony the acredibility -- the credibility to her testimony that needs to be there if they believe her. that's going to be important here. the she is a critical witness for the prosecution. >> john? >> well, she's obviously important on the question of being followed by -- trayvon by george zimmerman. she's critical in she shows he was following. but that trayvon was not following him. that he didn't come out of the bushes or jump on him. he in fact was trying to get away. and there's a lot of evidence to that. that puts george zimmerman in a more difficult position. and it contradicts his mental state at the time he claims he was not following. i think she's important. >> ken? >> she's a crucial, very important witness for the pros confusion. not only did she testify trayvon said he was being followed an
george zimmerman's version of what happens when he meets trayvon martin or rachel jeantel? there is a clear distinction here. a lot of people said these jurors aren't going to be able to relate to her. this is a murder trial. i think they will listen to her and give her testimony the acredibility -- the credibility to her testimony that needs to be there if they believe her. that's going to be important here. the she is a critical witness for the prosecution. >> john? >> well, she's...
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>> rachel jeantel, the friend who was on the phone with trayvon martin moments before he was shot said he was trying to get away from a man who was following him. >> creepy ass cracker i heard trayvon saying and get off of me. >> but then came neighbor john good, a prosecution witness whose story seemed to bolster zimmerman's defense. >> i could tell the person on the bottom had a lighter ske eed color. >> did you feel it exaggerated the manner in which he was hit? >> yes, sir. >> the courtroom was riveted by the testimony of grieving parents sybrina fulton and tracy martin, who talked about losing their 17-year-old son. >> my world has been turned upside down. >> and late in the trial prosecutor john guy used a mannequin to demonstrate the state's theory of the case. >> were you aware the defendant described to his best friend that when he slid down, the defendant slid down, that trayvon martin was up around his armpits? were you aware of that? >> no, i've not heard that. >> where would the gun be now? >> now the gun would be behind your left leg. >> okay. >> defense attorney mark o'm
>> rachel jeantel, the friend who was on the phone with trayvon martin moments before he was shot said he was trying to get away from a man who was following him. >> creepy ass cracker i heard trayvon saying and get off of me. >> but then came neighbor john good, a prosecution witness whose story seemed to bolster zimmerman's defense. >> i could tell the person on the bottom had a lighter ske eed color. >> did you feel it exaggerated the manner in which he was hit?...
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>> here's how i think about rachel jeantel myself. i think that she was a reluctant witness who didn't want to be there. i think her mom and ms. fulton got together and said something like, you need to go tell this woman what happened to her son and do it now. i think that's what happened. >> reporter: how much was actual fact do you think from her testimony? >> i think what happened was once she was put in the position of having to talk, we know that what she did was -- was smooth over a lot of the rough spots of what trayvon was talking to her about. we know that she didn't talk about the -- the racist terms he maybe used, the colorful language that he may have used. i think what she did was just give a sanitized version to mom. because, after all, i think she was being sensitive to ms. fulton having just lost her son. i think ms. jeantel came across as being not wanting to be there. i think she had a bit of an attitude because she was there. i don't think she took very kindly to the way mr. west was examining her. >> reporter: i th
>> here's how i think about rachel jeantel myself. i think that she was a reluctant witness who didn't want to be there. i think her mom and ms. fulton got together and said something like, you need to go tell this woman what happened to her son and do it now. i think that's what happened. >> reporter: how much was actual fact do you think from her testimony? >> i think what happened was once she was put in the position of having to talk, we know that what she did was -- was...
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it matters because of how the prosecution witnesses like rachel jeantel, for example, really damaged the image of trayvon and what he was doing and they brought it back home this is a very good, upstanding kid and i think that will go to, you know, why was george zimmerman really doing that? maybe he was going of and profiling trayvon. i think it's a big impact. i think the prosecution rather than just the defense has a unique opportunity to change things this week if they handle the cross-examinations correctly. >> carrie, we have heard testimony this past week from witnesses that talked about whether it was what they saw or heard who was on top and bottom. >> right. >> what does it really matter when the bottom line is one was armed and the other was not? >> because of the florida law and the florida law is unique in some ways because it says even if somebody started out aggressor, if they're a victim at some point in an altercation such that they were in fear of their bodily safety and they believed that they were going to suffer a serious bodily harm they are justified in taking
it matters because of how the prosecution witnesses like rachel jeantel, for example, really damaged the image of trayvon and what he was doing and they brought it back home this is a very good, upstanding kid and i think that will go to, you know, why was george zimmerman really doing that? maybe he was going of and profiling trayvon. i think it's a big impact. i think the prosecution rather than just the defense has a unique opportunity to change things this week if they handle the...
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jeantel. in your piece you says zimmerman's innocence rests on the notion of trayvon's criminalality. in this country, it's not that difficult to convince six people of the criminality of a 17-year-old black boy. why do you think this? >> do believe zimmerman's story, because to me it reads like a very cartoonish version of what a 17-year-old black boy would say and do in this situation. i think to believe that trayvon martin was to jump out of the bushes and to approach george zimmerman and strike him in the face without any type of provocation sounds to me like you have to believe that there is an inherent criminality and inherent violence in 17-year-old black boys that you see. >> zimmerman kept following trayvon martin even after a 911 operator told him not to. what are the racial implications for that? mychal? >> the operator didn't explicitly tell him not to follow but said they didn't need him to. i think george zimmerman -- again, this is my opinion -- but after identifying trayvon mar
jeantel. in your piece you says zimmerman's innocence rests on the notion of trayvon's criminalality. in this country, it's not that difficult to convince six people of the criminality of a 17-year-old black boy. why do you think this? >> do believe zimmerman's story, because to me it reads like a very cartoonish version of what a 17-year-old black boy would say and do in this situation. i think to believe that trayvon martin was to jump out of the bushes and to approach george zimmerman...
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>> rachel jeantel. >> we should plan on at least a couple of hours? >> what? >> tempers flare at the george zimmerman trial. >> overruled, the court is entitled to acquire. >> he can't really object to the judge's questions. >> why does this defendant get out of the car if he thinks that trayvon martin is a threat to him? >> a lack of evidence, if you have to prove something, you don't know it. >> this case is not about race, it is about right and wrong. it is that simple. >> state versus george zimmerma zimmerman. >> the case of the state of florida versus george zimmerman is now in the hands of a jury. >> yeah, jurors have ended deliberations for today. they will resume tomorrow, saturday, yes, on saturday at 9 a.m. eastern time, just before 2:30 this afternoon, judge deborah nelson handed them the case with these final words. >> your verdict finding george zimmerman either guilty or not guilty must be unanimous. the verdict must be the verdict of each juror as well as the jury, as a whole. in closing, let me remind you that it is important that you follow t
>> rachel jeantel. >> we should plan on at least a couple of hours? >> what? >> tempers flare at the george zimmerman trial. >> overruled, the court is entitled to acquire. >> he can't really object to the judge's questions. >> why does this defendant get out of the car if he thinks that trayvon martin is a threat to him? >> a lack of evidence, if you have to prove something, you don't know it. >> this case is not about race, it is about...
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certainly, they didn't include in the an mission the insights of his friend rachel jeantel. she said she heard trayvon screaming get off, get off but the animation doesn't show that. the defense wants to introduce it, the prosecution says it's absolutely unfair and the jurors will play it over and over again in the jury room and convince themselves to believe zimmerman. >>> a former florida circuit court judge and the host of judge alex. judge alex, this is getting down to the real nitty gritty, isn't it? >> yes. >> this animation video, it's pure property -- propaganda isn't it? >> they want to tell the story they believe happened. so for the prosecution to get in and say well, this doesn't have the parts we think happened, of course it doesn't. if you create our own animation, you want put in trayvon martin zimmerman because that's the defense theory, not yours. still i think it should come in as a demonstrative aid. there are holes to be filled because some things haven't been testified to. >> this evidence from vincent demayo, he's obviously incredibly experienced but th
certainly, they didn't include in the an mission the insights of his friend rachel jeantel. she said she heard trayvon screaming get off, get off but the animation doesn't show that. the defense wants to introduce it, the prosecution says it's absolutely unfair and the jurors will play it over and over again in the jury room and convince themselves to believe zimmerman. >>> a former florida circuit court judge and the host of judge alex. judge alex, this is getting down to the real...
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jeantel's testimony. when the prosecutor actually stands up and puts it together, you may see a much more compelling picture more indicative of second-degree murder than manslaughter. that's possible. >> from the defense prospective, mark, they acquit him on second-degree murder but convict him of a lesser charge, some on those prison terms in florida carry a comparative prison sentence. >> it's the defense that wants the lesser included and because you have a lesser punishment. here in california, remember how this works. what is explained to the jury is first you decide the murder charge. if you find not guilty on the murder, then you work down to the manslaughter, basically, the difference between the two is whether or not there is malice. so all of this talk about ill will and the level and intent and everything else is for the jury to decide. if they can't find malice, they work down. normally the defense wants the lesser because it's punishment by much less or doesn't have what is the l next to it f
jeantel's testimony. when the prosecutor actually stands up and puts it together, you may see a much more compelling picture more indicative of second-degree murder than manslaughter. that's possible. >> from the defense prospective, mark, they acquit him on second-degree murder but convict him of a lesser charge, some on those prison terms in florida carry a comparative prison sentence. >> it's the defense that wants the lesser included and because you have a lesser punishment....
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jeantel was made for tv and not for an investigation. your thoughts on that? >> it's easy to go back in a vacuum, miss jeantel, god bless her, she did not want to get involved in this matter in no way possible. so i think it's pretty well documented about the challenges we had to try to get her to do an interview and finally we got her to agree to do a telephone interview and we did that interview the best we could to make sure that we had her statement. and trayvon's parents are thankful that she did come forward to act as a witness in this case. something she did not want to do. >> stephanie with west 2 news. does it bother you when people say this case is not about race? >> no. it doesn't. but, you know, the whole world was looking at this case for a reason. and what people wanted to see as we all said how far we have come in america in matter of equal justice, and as we have said, we would be dishonestedishonest est -- dishonest if we did not acknowledge the racial tones of the case. >> can you give us insight on why the martins were
jeantel was made for tv and not for an investigation. your thoughts on that? >> it's easy to go back in a vacuum, miss jeantel, god bless her, she did not want to get involved in this matter in no way possible. so i think it's pretty well documented about the challenges we had to try to get her to do an interview and finally we got her to agree to do a telephone interview and we did that interview the best we could to make sure that we had her statement. and trayvon's parents are thankful...
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jeantel was made for tv and not for an investigation. your thoughts on that? >> it's easy to go back in a vacuum, miss jeantel, god bless her, she did not want to get involved in this matter in no way possible. so i think it's pretty well documented about the challenges we had to try to get her to do an interview and finally we got her to agree to do a telephone interview and we did that interview the best we could to make sure that we had her statement. and trayvon's parents are thankful that she did come forward to act as a witness in this case. something she did not want to do. >> stephanie with west 2 news. does it bother you when people say this case is not about race? >> no. it doesn't. but, you know, the whole world was looking at this case for a reason. and what people wanted to see as we all said how far we have come in america in matter of equal justice, and certainly as we have said, we would be dishonestedishonest est -- dishonest if we did not acknowledge the racial tones of the case. >> can you give us insight on why the ma
jeantel was made for tv and not for an investigation. your thoughts on that? >> it's easy to go back in a vacuum, miss jeantel, god bless her, she did not want to get involved in this matter in no way possible. so i think it's pretty well documented about the challenges we had to try to get her to do an interview and finally we got her to agree to do a telephone interview and we did that interview the best we could to make sure that we had her statement. and trayvon's parents are thankful...
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jeantel, the friend of trayvon martin who was on the phone with him. she was often defiant, sometimes hard to injured but when she talked about trayvon martin being followed, she was crystal clear. listen. >> he told me -- >> of-under course you don't foe if was telling you the truth. [inaudible] >> maybe he decided to assault george zimmerman he at any time want you to know about it. >> gnaw. [inaudible] >> a large part of the case hinged on who started the fight and who was heard screaming for help on a 9-1-1 call by a neighbor. several witnesses weighed in but the mothers of the victim and the defendant were the most compelling. listen. [screaming] >> is he yelling help? >> yes. >> ma'am, that scream organize yelling, do you recognize that? >> yes. >> whoa do you recognize tad be. >> trayvon benjamin martin. >> whose voice was that? >> my son george. >> are you assert of that? , he is my son. >> police testified that tracy martin, trayvon's father said the screams were not his son's, but on the stand he disputed that claim. medical experts also test
jeantel, the friend of trayvon martin who was on the phone with him. she was often defiant, sometimes hard to injured but when she talked about trayvon martin being followed, she was crystal clear. listen. >> he told me -- >> of-under course you don't foe if was telling you the truth. [inaudible] >> maybe he decided to assault george zimmerman he at any time want you to know about it. >> gnaw. [inaudible] >> a large part of the case hinged on who started the fight...
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jeantel, it really does smack of a political process. at what point does the defense have enough out there to argue it in closing argument? right now we're getting a smear of it but i don't know that they have enough to get down and dirty in their closing. >> let listen to one witness who was particularly noteworthy, a friend of zimmerman's. his name is tom donnelly. he said he served in the war and was able to recognize the screams of people. he had no hesitation in identifying the voice. >> there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that is george zimmerman. and i wish to god i did not have that ability to understand that. >> diana, with that story, do you think that donnelly is a more credible witness about whose voice that is screaming on the 911 call than say zimmerman's mother or trayvon martin's mother? does donnelly and his professed experties make a difference you think? >> assume for a minute the jury is not making up their mind about the voice i.d. based on other evidence, which is what i suspect. to me the most impactful witnesse
jeantel, it really does smack of a political process. at what point does the defense have enough out there to argue it in closing argument? right now we're getting a smear of it but i don't know that they have enough to get down and dirty in their closing. >> let listen to one witness who was particularly noteworthy, a friend of zimmerman's. his name is tom donnelly. he said he served in the war and was able to recognize the screams of people. he had no hesitation in identifying the...
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jeantel around we were going through the whole creepy ass crack ercracke not sure if i can say that on the air, it was said that trayvon martin had a racial mindset going into the situation. i think they'll throw anything they can at the wall and see if it sticks. this is really about the same way we deal with race in the open society. >> i think if nothing else, they've seen "a time to kill," with is a similar closing argument about seeing difference cases of race for individual. the jury is of course now in the middle of deliberations. "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers." "we work directly with manufacturers," "eliminating costly markups," "and buy directly from local farmers in every region of the country." "when you see our low prices, remember the wheels turning behind the scenes, delivering for millions of americans, everyday. "dedication: that's the real walmart" >>> welcome back to "the lead," we're on verdict watch. let's get final word from our panel. we only have a couple of minutes here. let's play prosecutor bernie de la r
jeantel around we were going through the whole creepy ass crack ercracke not sure if i can say that on the air, it was said that trayvon martin had a racial mindset going into the situation. i think they'll throw anything they can at the wall and see if it sticks. this is really about the same way we deal with race in the open society. >> i think if nothing else, they've seen "a time to kill," with is a similar closing argument about seeing difference cases of race for...
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even if we presume rachel jeantel was completely accurate in whichever version of what she first heard happen, you want to belie believe, what she said was that george zimmerman said what are you doing around here? let's just for a moment presume that we had that on auld yeo tape. let's say they recorded a phone call, and you heard her voice -- you heard george zimmerman's voice on the tape that said, what are you doing around here? what did you hear mr. root say about that? the only expert that talks about the evolution of force tell us? well, you say something like that? i might y, whatever i want, or who are you to ask? or what do you mean? or get out of my face. but dennis root didn't say the appropriate response is to break somebody's nose. did he? did he suggest that that was even near the spectrum of violence allowed, the spectrum of force allowed in a situation like that? unfortunately, you know, there was some anger and hostility, and ill will and spite maybe that night. it just had nothing to do with george zimmerman -- well, that's not true. it had something to do with georg
even if we presume rachel jeantel was completely accurate in whichever version of what she first heard happen, you want to belie believe, what she said was that george zimmerman said what are you doing around here? let's just for a moment presume that we had that on auld yeo tape. let's say they recorded a phone call, and you heard her voice -- you heard george zimmerman's voice on the tape that said, what are you doing around here? what did you hear mr. root say about that? the only expert...